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Their invitation to join the tour was sincere and expectant. They thought their ‘product’ was worth investigating. Do we have that same attitude when giving out invitations or welcoming people to church?
Often the answer is “no”. How can we change how people feel about church?
Peter,
Thanks for your post! As a Christian who grew up as a Mormon it is great to hear your observations. It’s a breath of fresh air to read the thoughts of someone who has taken a moment to try and understand the LDS.
I am always a bit cautious about trying to learn things from LDS practice because it is so often rooted in appalling theology, as you have noted when it comes to their giving. It does make me ask the question, how do you learn from those that you seriously disagree with?
Thanks again,
Andrew
P.S. If anyone is interest in evangelism to Mormons check out Mormon Outreach Ministries (http://www.momsydney.org.au).
Craig,
I think sincere love for one another is a key ingredient (Jn 13:34-35). I was talking to someone in Salt Lake City who was not a mormon, but I asked him what he thought of them. He said he held the LDS in high regard because of the way they looked after their own - in terms of caring for them, helping move house, providing work etc.
In my experience, Christians are really good at this, although because we are not as controlling and legalistic as the LDS, it often happens in the background and in a quiet way. Perhaps we need to be more intentional about loving those around us in an active way - not for ‘good publicity’ but because it is the right thing to do.
Andrew,
That question of learning from those who you fundamentally disagree with came up a lot while we were in Utah and Idaho - and I’m afraid I didn’t make too much progress on an answer. I think it is important to think about the motivation for the actions you are observing. Unfortunately in the LDS case, it often stems from legalism and control, rather than grace and love.
Thanks for a good essay.
I think we can also learn from them some of what NOT to do as we reach out.
—Don’t do outreach merely because it’s required.
—Don’t stress how perfect your group’s founders (other than Jesus) were.
—Don’t depend just on the power of the internal witness you’ve received. Depend on the Holy Spirit working through the truth.
—Don’t think historical evidence is worthless.
Still, as you say, there’s much good that we can learn from them. For the most part, they are sincere, diligent, winsome, moral people.
“They believe that orthodox Christianity, as we know it, is deficient.” Actually, they are taught that orthodox Christianity is apostate. Which is going quite a bit further than “deficient”.
One of the things I have noticed of late (I have been researching Mormonism so as to point out their ideas in the Twilight books by Mormon author Stephenie Meyer) is that LDS promotions focus heavily on the things that they know make their religion different to other religions, in what (they believe) is a good way. Go to Mormon.org and you will see that they focus heavily on the LDS doctrine of eternal marriage, for example. Obviously they see this as a selling point, and so they spend lots of time talking it up. Other, not so positive aspects or the religion, such as the requirements for temple worthy certificates, or the whole thing with the underwear, don’t get a mention, of if they do it is very brief and made to seem as nice as possible.
I think there are perhaps two things we can learn from this:
(1) yes, we should be tailoring the first part of our evangelistic message to the perceived needs of our listeners.
(2) But the rest of the message must be unvarnished gospel, with no attempt to make the truth more palatable than it really is (to unsaved ears). We need to be like Paul, who wrote “I am not ashamed of the gospel” (Rom 1:16), even though we know the truth that “The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing” (1Co1:18) and “the smell of death” (2Co2:15-16). We cannot be ashamed of the message of hope that we have. We must tell it plainly.
Hi Sharon,
Thanks for your insights and I like your 2 ‘things to learn’ points.
In the biographical film about Joseph Smith that we watched, the message was certainly that the Christian message is deficient and therefore apostate. The basis for this was that different churches argued about different issues - such as baptism etc. The film said - if they were the real church then surely they would agree? And therefore, because we don’t argue about the ‘true’ revelation given to Joseph Smith, therefore it is the right one.
However the LDS now have a significant problem, in that there are splinter LDS groups, FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS) who are criticising the established LDS church for their lack of consistency on various practices. Again, I don’t think you’ll find that on any of their websites.
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