Lies, damned lies, and ... (#3) Paul Grimmond

Paul

this reminds me of an article reprinted in the Briefing over a decade ago - something along the lines of “I am a Christian - and I like taking other people’s things”.

Following the “is” to “ought” logic I wonder how long before, say, a convicted rapist or pedophile would use the “but this is my orientation” as justification for their actions.

Following on from Hamish,

This “logic” already is seeping into thinking in other areas.
First thing that came to my mind was the increasingly popular TV Show Dexter. Have never watched it (out of principle) - the premise is that a person with sociopathic tendencies can be tolerated/supported/defended/etc because the ends justifies the means.

Which is weird (on so many levels!) when you consider how socially unacceptable or rather how trendy and popular obescity is! “But I’m born this way” doesn’t hold water when airlines charge for an extra seat or the medical association demonstrates extreme prejudice by putting adverts on TV all the time telling us that being fat is evil. (well at least that is message being conveyed).

Overeating yourself to death is greedy, selfish, prideful and sin. So is overspending so is homosexuality! Why stop at verse 9 of 1 Corinthians 6 when verse 10 has so many more (common) birth defects smile
“nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God”

I know it over simplifies things, but I think the danger in confronting or dealing with this is to focus on the symptoms of sin without addressing the root cause?

Don’t get me wrong - it needs to be engaged - but not at expense of over emphasis or at the expense of excusing other forms of unrighteousness.

Paul Grimmond06/03/2009 06:09 AM

Hi Hamish and Albert,

Thanks heaps for your comments. Albert, I agree with you completely. My intent wasn’t to focus on homosexuality, it was more that this example arrived providentially so to speak. That is, I had posted twice on the subject of is-ought in the last week or so and then just came across the article on Friday which was a ‘real-world’ example of exactly the problem I was talking about. But it could have been anything.

In fact, I originally tried to write this post about two articles. This one about homosexuality and then Paul Sheehan’s review of Bettina Arndt’s new book called The Sex Diaries (http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/winning-war-with-bedroom-battles-20090301-8lh1.html?page=2). Unfortunately it became impossible in a reasonable space to deal with both. But here is an excerpt from Sheehan’s article:

When relationships become sexless, Arndt’s attitude towards infidelity becomes elastic: “If the sex supply breaks down, then fidelity seems a totally unreasonable demand or expectation . . . But it is heresy to suggest such a thing . . . Adultery always spells disaster for a marriage, or so everybody seems to believe.”

Arndt does not believe this. Nor is she a believer in confession. If you do have an affair, she says, shut up about it: “So many people end up confessing to an affair, which strikes me as the ultimate stupidity . . . Telling doesn’t right the wrong: it adds to it.”

The point is that here again it is the vagaries of what is that drives the ethical decision making. You should have some ethical ideas but as soon as they become too difficult, then abandon them for something else. Hidden in the argument is the idea that a high libido inherently deserves to be expressed and should not be repressed (the is and the ought again).

The problem is of course that this worldly way of thinking about what is right is so ubiquitous that it easily infects the thinking of many Christians. So thanks for the many other examples.

Grimmo

James Mittelstadt06/03/2009 05:26 PM

The interesting thing is that when I went through university and studied genetics, the head of the school at the time was not a Christian and yet he stated that the evidence for the ‘gay gene’ was very flimsy at best and he stated that a more rigourous study which was later done overturned the initial conclusions (I must confess I haven’t looked at the data myself and so am trusting the faithfulness of this non-Christian genetics lecturer)

The reaosn the subsequent study was not paraded across the front pages of newspapers was because it didn’t fit into the ‘world view’ that the pro-gay lobby wanted to put forward. An interetsing case of selection bias.

However I’m surprised that people put so much weight upon the genetic influence of ‘being gay’ because the flipside is that if you DON’T have the gene/chemical imbalance and identify yourself as ‘gay’ then you are living a lie. Are these people lying to themselves? Should they be allowed to identify themselves as ‘gay’? It seems to me there’s a lot of people trying to use data for their own agendas when it suits them.

Just to clarify, I do not want to trivialise the struggles that many people may face in homosexual temptations; my point is that the pro-gay lobby use data very selectively and we need to be careful when engaging with arguements.

Michael Jensen07/03/2009 12:38 AM

I saw Arndt interviewed, and she seemed to deny what Sheehan says she says in his article. Which is to say, she was adamant that she was not advocating an affair, and that the overwhelming majority of people were against affairs as well.

Jonthan Dixon07/03/2009 06:29 AM

James,

I think the point here is that while it may (or may not) be right to oppose “gay gene” idea in the name of good science, it’s completely missing the point to focus on it in any sort of Christian argument. The deeper problem isn’t data selection, but the assumptions used to interpret it.

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