Investing in bookshops Lionel Windsor

Thanks for the recommendations!

It saves not having to sort through a lot of “stuff” at Koo-Wrong smile

Also, for what it’s worth, I happened to be in Koo-Wrong last week and checked the pricing of some of their Mathias Media materials. I noticed that most of the “Gudiebooks For Life” series were $2-$5 more expensive than MM sells them!
- I guess that illustrates your point about popular versus quality eh?! wink

Not to knock the big “K” altogether, we do get our Vegie Tales CD’s from them. So they do have some value…

Al.

I’m totally with you on this one, and perhaps I even agree with the sentiment as to why they refrain from doing so, but if I could just air one small grievance here it’s that many of these fine book shops are not open outside of office hours. I live within walking distance of one of them, but I can never get there! So, if I would like that fine pleasure of actually going to the book store, to peruse through the books, I tend to end up in the big business options.

Philip Griffin11/03/2009 09:15 AM

Amen to that, Lionel!

May I suggest that we suggest or, if we are in the position of making the decision, promote strongly to our congregations these 3 excellent book sellers?

Many people just don’t think to go to these due to the fact that a well known bookstore in Sydney has such a large percentage of the market.

I heard a former employee refer to the Christian bookshop they worked at as “Babylon”.

And I once went to a large church out eastern suburbs of Melbourne which had plenty of Joyce Myer books etc. but missing, for example, was Leon Morris’ The Atonement.
No Cross?  No Way.

Roger Gallagher11/03/2009 03:01 PM

I’d love to shop at Moore Books &/or The Reformers’ Bookshop, but they have practical limitations that mean that I end up going to their less theologically discerning competitors.

Firstly, location. I live in the west, but shops are in the inner-city. Thus getting there, finding a park, and getting back, takes up a fair chunk of your day.

Secondly, they’re only open from 9-5 on weekdays, so there’s no way I, or most others in secular employment, can get to them during opening hours.

For Londoners, I’d recommend the Protestant Truth Society bookshop on Fleet Street - does what it says on the tin. 

The staff are very helpful, and they give a discount to students and church workers.

http://protestant-truth.org/bookshop/

Elizabeth George12/03/2009 11:55 PM

Remember all the 3 bookshops offer mail order service if you know the book you want - i have ordered on line and on the phone and got the book the next day

As much as we’d all love to support genuine reformed Christian businesses (even, perhaps by paying a small premium) opening hours, parking and accessibility will ensure that Reformers’ and Moore Books are patronised by only the most determined customers.

My further problem with Reformers’ (I have never been to Moore Books) is that, as a Bible College student, they generally don’t stock stuff written by anyone other than a card-carrying calvinist, or that hasn’t received their own imprimatur. This makes even purchasing some text books difficult.

Lastly, although I am happy to pay a premium to shop at genuine Christian bookshops, sometimes the big internet outfits just cannot be beaten. I have saved hundreds by always doing the maths and comparing local prices with Amazon, ChristianBook.com and BookDeprository.com (convert from Pounds Stirling but they offer free international postage).

Thanks for your helpful comments! Just to reassure you that the parking is usually pretty good at Reformers. We’re at 140 Albany Road, Stanmore (on the grounds of Stanmore Baptist Church). Just park out the front and follow the signs. We’ve taken on board your comments, and are going to trial a new opening hour to 7pm on a Thursday evening (from the 19th March). We’d love to meet and serve you in whatever way we can.

While I’ve yet to acquire anything of theirs published since 1945, a fair proportion of books and tracts I’ve read printed by the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge ( http://www.spcka.org.au/ ) seemed tolerably sound, meaty and suitably middle-brow.  Any idea what they’re like as a publisher these days?

Forrest Candy17/03/2009 04:18 PM

One note of caution: declining to stock books of some theologies is not in itself a virtue. As Chris pointed out, do we really want to be limited only to literature with Calvin’s stamp of approval?

Here’s a worse scenario: Let’s not be too hasty in promoting a narrow selection of books lest the helm of our local bookstore is taken over by a less reformed perspective.

Firstly, this whole conversation smacks of potter-esque “don’t say voldemort,” which I think is hilarious. 

Secondly, Amen to the down-side of moore books’ 9-5 mon-fri hours.  This could possibly be ameliorated by a website that allowed us to browse by section, as if we were in the shop, as opposed to knowing the isbn of every title we wanted before we arrived (pls excuse exaggeration).

Maybe MB could post a delicious library, or something similar, that lets us browse in a more visual, random, bookshop kind of way.

There’s always a tension (as Chris A. has alluded to)  between taking advantage of the savings available on good quality resources (like the whole NICNT series, or dogmatics complete) at too-wrong or an o/s seller, and supporting ‘the little shop around the corner. 

Let’s hope that these posts prompts more ppl to support the little shop around the corner, in the hope that quality over quantity is a valid state of being.

Any of us engaged in evangelism or standing up for the gospel of grace have probably been labelled ‘narrow’ at some stage or other. In a ‘tolerant’ pluralist society, the exclusive becomes intolerable and we find certain names and terms used with contempt ... for example; our Lord’s name… ‘sin’... ‘judgement’...‘Calvinist’.

Our declining to stock some books is indeed a virtue, if those books, for example, deny penal substitution or the Divine inspiration of the Scriptures.

As Reformed-Evangelical Christians, we have a responsibility to ensure that the deposit of faith is faithfully passed on to the next generation. What’s more, we are called to be discerning (Eph 5:10; Rom 12:2).
Be that as it may, I’m surprised that it was suggested that Reformers is limited only to literature with “Calvin’s stamp of approval.” At Reformers, we do stock significant historic works, but we also carry many contemporary titles from numerous local and international publishers: Intervarsity-Press (IVP UK), Matthias Media, Crossway, The Good Book Company (Christianity Explored and Discipleship Explored, XTB, Explore…), Baker, Banner of Truth, Eerdmans, Evangelical Press, Christian Focus, Day One, Anglican Youthworks and Youthsurge, amongst many others.

Over the past year or two, we have added hundreds and hundreds of contemporary lines, and have also become the Australian distributor for the Good Book Company. We are not primarily an academic, course-text bookshop - as Lionel pointed out: Moore Books does an excellent job at that.

We make no apology for the good range of evangelical and reformed materials that are helpful and suitable for the wider public, and the LORD has graciously blessed our efforts.

For those of us living close to the centre of the city it’s a great privilege to have the likes of Reformers and Moore books. I have been a patron of both stores and have found their service and selections supply most of my needs for preaching and pastoral ministry.
It is easy to forget that both these stores are specialist stores and offer services that larger operations can’t. For instance, they can carry better of selections of individual publishers, and in the case of Reformers, you can usually get out-of-stock books within two to four weeks. This is fantastic service when you are pressed for a book that you need quickly. The other thing I like about them is that their staff are theologically trained. That’s a big plus when you need some discriminating advice.

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