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This was helpful Paul.
I hadn’t actually considered this before - that the people around us see our views on sexuality, for example, as 1950’s morality. But it would make sense. They then consider themselves to be enlightened and freed up in their views, while we are ‘stuck in the past’, with our ‘social conservatism’ - making it harder for us to get heard, as you put it.
They may even feel sorry for us!
Hi Grimmo,
Your introduction is helpfully balanced and causes the hearer to analyse the bias and influence with which they have arrived. The only possible improvement I might suggest is if there is a way of introducing the topic of the worlds view of sex compared to God’s by creating a tension through the biblical text.
The first thought in my mind is 1 Corinthians 7:1 which probably summarises the “killjoy” view of God that many non-Christians hold. This could then be followed by your introduction to the topic from the last two posts, and then back into 1 Corinthians 7:2-5 as the means of hopefully providing a surprising angle to the topic of sex. Namely, that God wants you to have it. Often. (Though in the right circumstances.)
Perhaps though this is just personal preference of getting the Bible out there front and centre and wouldn’t work with the rest of the talk.
Maybe “screwed up” isn’t the best choice of words there. I suggest “twisted” or “perverted”; you seem to mean the assault of children by clergy, but that’s not the only wrong view of sexuality that clergy have had!
Hi Ellen,
I agree with you completely. My comment was meant to be a nod towards pedophilia but not restricted to that. For example, I am sure that enforced celibacy as an expression of holiness is not a good idea. (Not to mention that there have been ages where celibacy has been preached and practiced in public while maintaining mistresses on the side). Maybe I should add another sentence to make it clearer.
Point taken about the wording.
Hi,
I think this is great. I do hope you stick to a strong word if you replace “screwed up”. I felt it reinforced that you aren’t stuck in the 1950s because it’s kind of unexpected (but very appropriate)!
I don’t know if you would cover this in this talk but I’d love to hear some thoughts about how Christians can helpfully talk about sex. Secular culture is very open (& graphic) when discussing sex which is something that I am not comfortable with but then I feel like a prude. I am sure there is a middle ground, where it can be talked about helpfully and appropriately while maintaining the intimacy and privacy of the relationship. I try to consider “would I be happy if my husband was saying this about me or us to his friends?” but it can be hard to know how to respond to some of the things that are said. Hmm…think this might be off topic having re-read, this is an evangeliSTIC talk not evangeliCAL talk…I’ll leave it here in case anyone is interested in picking it up…
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